Eisner’s

[Pompey1984+1]

Assuming that we want to move from being sustainable in L1 to sustainable in the Championship, these are the capacities of clubs' ground with which we would have to compete.

Grounds in Championship Ordered by Capacity

1. The Riverside Stadium home to Middlesbrough 33,746
2. Pride Park home to Derby County 33,597
3. Cardiff City Stadium home to Cardiff City 33,280
4. Bramall Lane home to Sheffield United 32,702
5. The Coventry Building Society Arena home to Coventry City 32,609
6. Ewood Park home to Blackburn Rovers 31,367
7. The City Ground home to Nottingham Forest 30,445
8. St Andrew's home to Birmingham City 30,016
9. bet365 Stadium (The Britannia Stadium) home to Stoke City 27,902
10. Ashton Gate home to Bristol City 27,000
11. The Hawthorns home to West Bromwich Albion 26,850
12. Craven Cottage home to Fulham 25,700
13. The KCOM Stadium home to Hull City 25,400
14. The John Smith's Stadium home to Huddersfield Town 24,500
15. The Madejski Stadium home to Reading 24,161
16. Deepdale home to Preston North End 23,404
17. Oakwell home to Barnsley 23,009
18. The Liberty Stadium home to Swansea City 21,088
19. The Den home to Millwall 20,146
20. Loftus Road home to Queens Park Rangers 18,439
21. Bloomfield Road home to Blackpool 17,338
22. London Road home to Peterborough United 14,319
23. Dean Court (The Vitality Stadium) home to AFC Bournemouth 11,464
24. Kenilworth Road home to Luton Town 10,356

https://www.footballgroundmap.com/groun ... ampionship

This doesn't take into account clubs spending money they don't have and loading debt onto the club in the hope of getting into the EPL (clubs are allowed to lose about £13M per year, averaged over three years), but I don't think we want to go down that route.

It would suggest that we need to get the stadium up to around the mid-20k capacity to be a steady mid-table side, all else being equal. So on-going development of FP is vital to the long-term plan (I think the idea of a new site stadium is fantasy at this stage, the possibilities having been endlessly discussed over the years, and I am sure that the club have investigated everywhere). IMO, this is more important than how long we spend in L1 (provided we don't get relegated!).

Supply Vs demand is the only thing that matters. No point having a 100k seater stadium just to have a bigger stadium than others.

[eltorrro]

Assuming that we want to move from being sustainable in L1 to sustainable in the Championship, these are the capacities of clubs' ground with which we would have to compete.

Grounds in Championship Ordered by Capacity

1. The Riverside Stadium home to Middlesbrough 33,746
2. Pride Park home to Derby County 33,597
3. Cardiff City Stadium home to Cardiff City 33,280
4. Bramall Lane home to Sheffield United 32,702
5. The Coventry Building Society Arena home to Coventry City 32,609
6. Ewood Park home to Blackburn Rovers 31,367
7. The City Ground home to Nottingham Forest 30,445
8. St Andrew's home to Birmingham City 30,016
9. bet365 Stadium (The Britannia Stadium) home to Stoke City 27,902
10. Ashton Gate home to Bristol City 27,000
11. The Hawthorns home to West Bromwich Albion 26,850
12. Craven Cottage home to Fulham 25,700
13. The KCOM Stadium home to Hull City 25,400
14. The John Smith's Stadium home to Huddersfield Town 24,500
15. The Madejski Stadium home to Reading 24,161
16. Deepdale home to Preston North End 23,404
17. Oakwell home to Barnsley 23,009
18. The Liberty Stadium home to Swansea City 21,088
19. The Den home to Millwall 20,146
20. Loftus Road home to Queens Park Rangers 18,439
21. Bloomfield Road home to Blackpool 17,338
22. London Road home to Peterborough United 14,319
23. Dean Court (The Vitality Stadium) home to AFC Bournemouth 11,464
24. Kenilworth Road home to Luton Town 10,356

https://www.footballgroundmap.com/groun ... ampionship

This doesn't take into account clubs spending money they don't have and loading debt onto the club in the hope of getting into the EPL (clubs are allowed to lose about £13M per year, averaged over three years), but I don't think we want to go down that route.

It would suggest that we need to get the stadium up to around the mid-20k capacity to be a steady mid-table side, all else being equal. So on-going development of FP is vital to the long-term plan (I think the idea of a new site stadium is fantasy at this stage, the possibilities having been endlessly discussed over the years, and I am sure that the club have investigated everywhere). IMO, this is more important than how long we spend in L1 (provided we don't get relegated!).

PP...this is interesting information but perhaps of greater interest would be what the average attendance at each ground is?...then slot Pompey into the mix showing what our average might be.

[Betelgeuse]

Spending £10m on the stadium is absolutely nothing in terms of what it needs. Years of neglect and lack of funding. They bought the club, they knew what it needed and now they're doing it all on the cheap. In my opinion Eisner is too focussed on staying at Fratton Park rather than building a new state of the art stadium somewhere outside the city. But maybe that was never the plan, just a carrot to reel us in.

And where do you suggest they build this stadium? Maybe you know somewhere where all the previous owners didn't try ?

Clearly not on the island, that's what is holding us back.

and off the island ?? you must have some gems stored up to give us an insight into where this stadium is going to happen

Hopefully outside your front window

[Pompey Penguin]

PP...this is interesting information but perhaps of greater interest would be what the average attendance at each ground is?...then slot Pompey into the mix showing what our average might be.

Good point El Torro. These are the average home league Championship attendances from the last "fully normal" season (2018/19), so include teams no longer in the Championship, but it does for general comparison.

1 Aston Villa 36.029
2 Leeds United 34.033
3 Nottingham Forest 28.144
4 Derby County 26.850
5 Sheffield United 26.175
6 Norwich City 26.014
7 Stoke City 25.200
8 Sheffield Wednesday 24.429
9 West Bromwich Albion 24.148
10 Middlesbrough FC 23.217
11 Birmingham City 22.483
12 Bristol City 21.080
13 Swansea City 18.737
14 Ipswich Town 17.765
15 Reading FC 14.991
16 Bolton Wanderers 14.636
17 Blackburn Rovers 14.552
18 Preston North End 14.160
19 Queens Park Rangers 13.866
20 Millwall FC 13.624
21 Hull City 12.165
22 Wigan Athletic 11.663
23 Brentford FC 10.257
24 Rotherham United 9.880

We could expect to sit around the Ipswich (14th) level with the present ground, which isn't too bad. The small ground improvements (capacity-wise) initiated by the Eisners could see us moving up to about the WBA to Bristol City level (9th-12th) depending on on-field performance. I think this would be satisfactory, even without loading debt onto the club.

[No Shot Sherlock]

With cup games included, the stadium might be used 28ish times a season. What is needed is income from its use on 300+ other days each year. Conferences, exhibitions, weddings/parties, gigs, etc etc. I'd rather see a 20k seater stadium with excellent other facilities than a 30k seater that can deliver little or no income other than on match days.

[Portchesterblue2]

Spending £10m on the stadium is absolutely nothing in terms of what it needs. Years of neglect and lack of funding. They bought the club, they knew what it needed and now they're doing it all on the cheap. In my opinion Eisner is too focussed on staying at Fratton Park rather than building a new state of the art stadium somewhere outside the city. But maybe that was never the plan, just a carrot to reel us in.

And where do you suggest they build this stadium? Maybe you know somewhere where all the previous owners didn't try ?

Clearly not on the island, that's what is holding us back.

and off the island ?? you must have some gems stored up to give us an insight into where this stadium is going to happen

Hopefully outside your front window

Absolutely hilarious. You can't just say the eisners are failing because they won't build a stadium off the island but nit be able to back it up with some ideas, so come on where are they supposed to build this stadium

[meakinsl]

When was the last time anyone spent £20million on the club?

Harry - although guess that was from the club !

[Betelgeuse]

Spending £10m on the stadium is absolutely nothing in terms of what it needs. Years of neglect and lack of funding. They bought the club, they knew what it needed and now they're doing it all on the cheap. In my opinion Eisner is too focussed on staying at Fratton Park rather than building a new state of the art stadium somewhere outside the city. But maybe that was never the plan, just a carrot to reel us in.

And where do you suggest they build this stadium? Maybe you know somewhere where all the previous owners didn't try ?

Clearly not on the island, that's what is holding us back.

and off the island ?? you must have some gems stored up to give us an insight into where this stadium is going to happen

Hopefully outside your front window

Absolutely hilarious. You can't just say the eisners are failing because they won't build a stadium off the island but nit be able to back it up with some ideas, so come on where are they supposed to build this stadium

The place I'd like to see it would be King George vi playing field. Would never happen though. St Johns college playing fields possibly. I suppose the obvious location is B&Q site in Fratton.

[Pompey1984+1]

NSS I agree and the Eisner's have consistently talked about wider redevelopment not just the stadium and that has been part of the reasoning for the need to get the city and network rail on board.

I can see a time where they take over more of the Pompey Centre land and turn it into a series of venues for use in a match day and the rest of the year hence the wider development of Fratton not just a stadium redevelopment.

Personally this is not only good for the club but the city and the destiny of the two is closely entwined.

The plans for the stadium is more than I was expecting it's basically a new Milton end, and a refurbished south stand. New seats in the Milton end and a new north stand lower and I like the sound of it.

[No Shot Sherlock]

85, whilst we may agree on the philosophy of what is needed, I disagree on how best to achieve the goal. For me, as I've also stated before, you can't polish a turd, and even if you could it would need polishing again next year, and every year after that. There are plenty of land parcels on the island that are big enough on which to build a new facility, with the land at Fratton being traded there for. It just needs someone to share the vision and for the city council to see the bigger picture.

[Portchesterblue2]

Spending £10m on the stadium is absolutely nothing in terms of what it needs. Years of neglect and lack of funding. They bought the club, they knew what it needed and now they're doing it all on the cheap. In my opinion Eisner is too focussed on staying at Fratton Park rather than building a new state of the art stadium somewhere outside the city. But maybe that was never the plan, just a carrot to reel us in.

And where do you suggest they build this stadium? Maybe you know somewhere where all the previous owners didn't try ?

Clearly not on the island, that's what is holding us back.

and off the island ?? you must have some gems stored up to give us an insight into where this stadium is going to happen

Hopefully outside your front window

Absolutely hilarious. You can't just say the eisners are failing because they won't build a stadium off the island but nit be able to back it up with some ideas, so come on where are they supposed to build this stadium

The place I'd like to see it would be King George vi playing field. Would never happen though. St Johns college playing fields possibly. I suppose the obvious location is B&Q site in Fratton.

King George's can never happen, st kohns will never happen, b&q site give you exactly the same issues as Fratton Park. So where else???

[New Forester]

We need John Westwood as Leader of the City Council.

[Portchesterblue2]

Spending £10m on the stadium is absolutely nothing in terms of what it needs. Years of neglect and lack of funding. They bought the club, they knew what it needed and now they're doing it all on the cheap. In my opinion Eisner is too focussed on staying at Fratton Park rather than building a new state of the art stadium somewhere outside the city. But maybe that was never the plan, just a carrot to reel us in.

And where do you suggest they build this stadium? Maybe you know somewhere where all the previous owners didn't try ?

Clearly not on the island, that's what is holding us back.

and off the island ?? you must have some gems stored up to give us an insight into where this stadium is going to happen

Hopefully outside your front window

Absolutely hilarious. You can't just say the eisners are failing because they won't build a stadium off the island but nit be able to back it up with some ideas, so come on where are they supposed to build this stadium

The place I'd like to see it would be King George vi playing field. Would never happen though. St Johns college playing fields possibly. I suppose the obvious location is B&Q site in Fratton.

King George's can never happen, st kohns will never happen, b&q site give you exactly the same issues as Fratton Park. So where else???

Not coming up with anymore then??

[Betelgeuse]

Sorry I've been busy. I think Michael Eisner wants to retain Fratton Park so everything is just speculation. There's been a lot of talk about the B&Q site but unless the road and rail infrastructure is upgraded then you are correct in saying that it does present the same problems.

[Locky_McLockface]

Spending £10m on the stadium is absolutely nothing in terms of what it needs. Years of neglect and lack of funding. They bought the club, they knew what it needed and now they're doing it all on the cheap. In my opinion Eisner is too focussed on staying at Fratton Park rather than building a new state of the art stadium somewhere outside the city. But maybe that was never the plan, just a carrot to reel us in.

And where do you suggest they build this stadium? Maybe you know somewhere where all the previous owners didn't try ?

Clearly not on the island, that's what is holding us back.

and off the island ?? you must have some gems stored up to give us an insight into where this stadium is going to happen

Hopefully outside your front window

Absolutely hilarious. You can't just say the eisners are failing because they won't build a stadium off the island but nit be able to back it up with some ideas, so come on where are they supposed to build this stadium

The place I'd like to see it would be King George vi playing field. Would never happen though. St Johns college playing fields possibly. I suppose the obvious location is B&Q site in Fratton.

KGV (not KGVI) cannot happen because of the King George Convenant, and there are plans afoot with Hampshire FA to redevelop that site with a couple of 3G pitches and rebuild the pavilion (which still has a hole in the roof, btw, after the fire from 2 or 3 years ago).